Lion_Lady wrote: Ryethil wrote:
mazer wrote:I think fit is important, but subjectve. If you like the bike and it feels good to you, it does not really matter if someone else thinks it is too big for you or not. If you can ride it safely, stop it safely feel the fit is right for them I say go for it. I have seen 10 to 12 year olds throw around dirt bikes that I thought were outrageously too big for them, they could hardly keep the bike upright at a full stop, but rolling through corners on dirt tracks, they flew. Looking at the Adventure riders forum I have seen photos of women who could not make it through some of the sand pits because they could not paddle the bike with their feet to help keep it upright, and they ate sand everytime, but they go back up and kept at it. soon enough some of them get good enough to not have to rely on their feet.
Just my 2 cents.
...Your advice is perfect.
However, guys (and some women) say that such and such a bike is perfect for learning on. (BS, but that's another thread.) A lot of women have rode pillion and now want the controls in their own hands. But a 250cc won't keep up with their husband's larger bike, so they feel hurt and confused.
It should be the experienced rider's responsibility to ride at the "learners" skill/confidence level. A 250 will keep up with anything else. It justs take a bit longer to get to the same cruising speed.
I think that too many folks make the assumption that the first bike has to be the ONE. You've been riding so long, Rye, that you probably never had the chance to dream of riding and "the perfect" bike until you were ALREADY an able-handed rider. It makes a big difference. Many fall in love with the image of themselves on a particular machine. Be it one like their friends (or significant other) has or just one they find appealing.
The thing is, not all bikes are suited to all kinds of riding. Just as you wouldn't try to take a thoroughbred on a trail ride, or a plow horse to the Kentucky Derby, choosing a sportbike for commuting or a cruiser for long distances doesn't usually work out well.
The key is to start out on something small and 'generic' to hone the newly learned skills. Something that isn't so heavy that it is scary. I tend to discourage folks from choosing a motorcycle solely on whether or not they can get both feet flat on the ground. It limits your options too much and "flat footing" is over-rated. Learning to manage a bike that you can get only one foot on the ground builds confidence... so long as the bike isn't too HEAVY to manage this way.
A rider spends more time with feet on the pegs than on the ground anyhow, once they've got their basic bike handling skills built in...
THAT should be the first 'comfort' option. How comfortable is the RIDING position?
So like you're relling me I have this problem with sporbikes.
Actually, some things you said earlier that I probably have twisted in my little mind. A dream isn't reality. Reality here is the tried and true facts of confidence, learning the basics an developing skills and experience. To do that, one must be comfortable and (my words) dedicated further to gain this, one must have a bike that promotes all of this. (My words) A man is not much of a husband if he'd not willing to help his wife with her quest. The same goes for all that she rides with. Choose your companions carefully.
However, after a period of time, she should be able to make a choice as to what she wants to ride as a moderatedly experienced rider. And what contortions she does to be able to ride that bike is her resposibility. This last is probably more my idea as yours for I'm thinking of some women who try and ride hawgs for what ever reason for it looks like comfort isn't one of them. The same for those who try to ride sport bikes which can be uncomfortable this side of legal speed limits and are possibly dangerous due to road and traffic conditions if the pace is too high.
I preach motorcycling as a lifestyle of freedom. And yet I'm ready to steer people from their dream bike becase "I" feel they're unsafe. That is something they should learn for themselves and if so, fail for themselves. My partner is learning on a Sportster and I think it may be too much for her at first. But that's not my job. She's big girl and I need to let her live out her dream rather than be a protective mother hen.
I'm finally okay with all of this and realize that squids on 600cc sportbikes are really responcible for their own situation. And no matter how unsafe their situation is, it's not my place to take them to task for anything "I" deem irresponcible. (People who suggest sport bikes to newbies are another matter
) And what everyone is saying that person's dream is theirs to fullfil unless I'm asked.
So in the end, no bike is too big for any person as long as they are able to live with the level of comfort they accept to ride their dream bike. And comfort is the leveling factor, for a person should be comfortable and having fun. And if they aren't, then it's their choice.