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#1 Unread post by High_Side »

Unfrickin'believable.
45 seconds prior to the crash I commented to Mrs High_Side that Pedrosa should figure out who is cutting the cheques, maybe even watch Edwards, who had a clear understanding. It was one of the all time biggest bone-headed moves in GP, almost Aaron Yates-ish in it's execution. But THATS racing.....

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*McCoy still looks to have what it takes. See you next year when everyone is on 800ccs

I hope that Haydens bike was actually unrideable and he didn't leave those few crucial point lying in the kitty litter in Portugal while he was thinking of kicking Pedrosas a$$.....

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#2 Unread post by isnowbrd »

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STUPID PEDROSA!!!

I almost broke the remote for my tv throwing is across the room. What a worthless POS teamate! That arrogant, selfish, little bastrd!

:shooting: Pedrosa

You would think that he would at least run over and try to help Nicky pick up his bike. Or AT LEAST apologize. But no, that prick just walks away. (I think his bike was unridable. It had to be considering the crash. I'm amazed that Nicky was able to walk on that left leg)

Too bad Collin Edwards isn't Nicky's teamate.

(I wonder if Pedrosa tried that stupid pass simply because Nicky passed him on that same corner during the previous lap. What a moron, he should have never tried to pass his teamate who is fighting for the championship title. Actually he should have waved him past earlier too)
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#3 Unread post by Mintbread »

Oh well, it just gives Hayden another excuse for losing the championship.
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Mintbread wrote:Oh well, it just gives Hayden another excuse for losing the championship.
While this is true, it seems that you are implying that he makes up excuses when he does badly. I find that Nicky tends to accept all the blame himself when he has poor results, unlike the majority of the other riders.

What other excuses does he have?
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“I wasn’t trying to overtake him," Pedrosa said. "I braked as normal and suddenly I could see I was approaching to him too fast."

What a :censored: LIAR! It's OBVIOUS that you were trying to pass him.

At least he did apologize to Nicky.

"...Hayden accepted the apology, but said he might not forgive him.

“I don’t know if I really forgave him, but I told him there is one way to make it up to me, and that is if we run one-two at Valencia, it’s still possible, and that’s what I told him when he left,” he said. “I mean that’s the one way he can make it up to me.”

But Hayden knows betting against Rossi at Valencia is a long shot.

“I mean, anything can happen in racing but we know Valentino,” he said. “Let’s be real; give him eight points with one race to go, the dude’s just got to follow me.”"

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#6 Unread post by QuietMonkey »

High_Side wrote:Unfrickin'believable.
It was one of the all time biggest bone-headed moves in GP, almost Aaron Yates-ish in it's execution. ....
yep, that move was brutal... a real burn for Hayden...
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#7 Unread post by Mintbread »

isnowbrd wrote: What other excuses does he have?
There was his little hissy-fit after the Aus GP about Rossi passing another rider (not even Hayden!) under a yellow flag.

And to carry on like a 2yr old after he and Pedrosa crashed was totally unnecessary and very unprofessional. It is racing where things like that happen, but if you get to MotoGP level and still can't accept it with a modicum of maturity then you have real issues.
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Mintbread wrote:
isnowbrd wrote: What other excuses does he have?
There was his little hissy-fit after the Aus GP about Rossi passing another rider (not even Hayden!) under a yellow flag.

And to carry on like a 2yr old after he and Pedrosa crashed was totally unnecessary and very unprofessional. It is racing where things like that happen, but if you get to MotoGP level and still can't accept it with a modicum of maturity then you have real issues.
Bullsh!t. The majority of these guys are intense by nature and THATS what got them there. dodo happens in racing, they all have to accept it and figure their day for being the jackazz will come. But if you have what is most likely your best shot ever at winning the title and you get taken out by your own team-mate with no chance at the title I say you are allowed to lose your cool. If that had been me, Pedrosa would miss the next race due to dental appointments. Screw the aww shucks attitude that is expected by the P.C. fans. These guys aren't drones. Hayden might not be your favorite, but Pedrosa laid out the all-time moronic GP racing move and deserves to be recognized for it.

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#9 Unread post by Mintbread »

And Doohan didn't cop the same treatment from his old mate (and fellow Repsol Honda rider) Alex Criville at the Aus GP at Eastern Creek in the '90's?

Mick didn't scream and shout like a fool. He took it like a man, a professional and a champion. All things that Hayden will never be.
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Mintbread wrote:And Doohan didn't cop the same treatment from his old mate (and fellow Repsol Honda rider) Alex Criville at the Aus GP at Eastern Creek in the '90's?.
Ol Mick already had the championship in the bag at that point if I recall. That should help explain the different response.
Mintbread wrote: Mick didn't scream and shout like a fool. He took it like a man, a professional and a champion. All things that Hayden will never be.
Sorry.
Hayden is no Doohan with riding talent, no doubt. I would be saying the same thing about Edwards if he took out Rossi, Gibernau if he took out Capirex (if Capirex was leading the championship) or Hayden if he did the same thing to Pedrosa etc... He was screwed and the response was justified if not a little less than what Pedrosa deserved.

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Oh man, i missed most all the race. I tuned to it just in time for Rossi to get passed. It made it all worth it. It was un "procreating" believable.
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It was a boneheaded move but honestly this type of thing does happen. It doesn't mean we can't all be upset with Pedro and it doesn't mean that Hayden doesn't have the right to be upset, but in a racing league as intense as MotoGP people are going to go down while attempting aggressive passing moves, it's just the nature of the beast. The fact that it was a teammate makes it more sour...but we'll have to learn to live with it.

And honestly I would have rather seen Edwards go against Rossi for the win instead of pave the way for him. I know he's not in the running for the championship and he wants his team to win, but considering he should be racing his arse off to keep his spot on the team I am rather surprised...
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kabob983 wrote: And honestly I would have rather seen Edwards go against Rossi for the win instead of pave the way for him. I know he's not in the running for the championship and he wants his team to win, but considering he should be racing his arse off to keep his spot on the team I am rather surprised...
Surprised? Rossi chooses his own team-mate. Edwards knows exactly what it takes to stay employed at yamaha....

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Hrm...hasn't stopped him from challenging in the past.
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kabob983 wrote:Hrm...hasn't stopped him from challenging in the past.
At the time, the championship did not hang in the balance.....

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kabob983 wrote: in a racing league as intense as MotoGP people are going to go down while attempting aggressive passing moves, it's just the nature of the beast.
This is NO EXCUSE. I'm sick of people saying "well that’s racing". I'm sorry, but that doesn't apply in this situation. Especially "in a racing league as intense as MotoGP".

I've heard people say that Dani is such an intelligent rider. During that ENTIRE RACE, he shouldn't have tried to pass Nicky ONCE unless Nicky made a mistake. Even if Dani had successfully passed him, it would have still been a stupid move. Nicky was working on chasing Rossi down and Pedrosa would only slow him down by dueling for position. Not to mention the possibility of them both crashing... Dani should have been intelligent enough to figure this out without someone telling him.

I do believe that "poo poo" happens in racing and there are times when you can say "well thats racing". Did anyone see that incident with Jason Disalvo and Jamie Hacking at Mid-Ohio? Perfect example of a racing incident. Even though they were both teammates, Jamie already had the championship clinched. So basically it was every man for himself. And, if Jamie had been smarter on the brakes, he could've simply tucked in behind Jason and probably passed him as he went wide.
I also remember a race last year when Rossi accidentally crashed into Melandri. Though I don't remember all the details, it was another perfect example of "thats racing". (And Rossi ran over to Melandri to apologize right away. And he wasn't his teammate) But I don’t' think Dani should get to hide behind the old racing adage. He never should have tried to pass Hayden, especially the way that he did.

Anyway, I would be much less upset if only he had immediately run over to Nicky after the crash and tried to help him get back on. Even if the bike was ruined, the action would have spoken volumes about his attitude. Of course, Nicky might have assaulted him had Dani been in reach. And that would have been bad.
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"And Doohan didn't cop the same treatment from his old mate (and fellow Repsol Honda rider) Alex Criville at the Aus GP at Eastern Creek in the '90's?"

"Mick didn't scream and shout like a fool. He took it like a man, a professional and a champion. All things that Hayden will never be. "

Mintbread, I believe that in the scenario you are referring to, the championship was already decided. There was no need for Mick to have blown a gasket at that point.

Hayden is one of the most professional riders in MotoGP right now. He has always been cordial to his fellow competitors and has not ridden recklessly like Stoner has and like his teammate just did.

However as reckless as Pedrosa was, Honda has no one to blame but themselves. No team orders?? C'mon - That is one of the advantages of having a "Teammate." You see it work not only in MotoGP but in all other forms of racing. Pedrosa didn't blow Nicky's advantage away - It was their employer!

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Benchdawg! wrote:There was no need for Mick to have blown a gasket at that point.
So to be taken out by your bread team mate thus stopping you from winning your home GP for the first time is not cause to get upset?
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Mintbread wrote:
Benchdawg! wrote:There was no need for Mick to have blown a gasket at that point.
So to be taken out by your bread team mate thus stopping you from winning your home GP for the first time is not cause to get upset?
It is reason to be upset. But having all the work he put into one weekend ruined doesn't compare to having all the work put into an entire year ruined.
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#20 Unread post by Mintbread »

He doesn't deserve the championship.

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