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#21 Unread post by ceemes »

My first helmet was a used (yeah I was a noob at the time and didn't know any better) first or second generation full faced helmet that had a rather thin visor with pop snaps to keep it closed, soon learn that you left one of the snaps open in order to let it breath and not fog up. Peripheral visibility of those early generation full faced helmets was horrible, as was the wind noise and comfort. Later I got a Shoei and then a Kiwi. Much better all round. Today I use a HJC and there is no way I would ride anywhere without it, even if it just up to the local gas station to fill up or use their wash bay.
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Have you tried or looked at any Modular Full-Face Helmets? I didn't like Full-Face Helmets either, but didn't want to wear an Open-Face Helmet with no good protection. I would check NewEnough.com for some good deals on Helmets. Even if it's more expensive, I considered my safety first, instead of what looked cool!

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mgold wrote:Have you tried or looked at any Modular Full-Face Helmets?
These flip-type helmets are an option, but no doubt you will get some flack on here about the safety of them. Whilst all helmets are DOT approved (or equivalent in countries outside of North America), the flip-types are apparently not approved by any addtional agencies. You can take that to mean whatever you like.

I'd still stick with full face if your entire head is important enough to you. You'll get used to wearing it.

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sunshine229 wrote:
mgold wrote:Have you tried or looked at any Modular Full-Face Helmets?
These flip-type helmets are an option, but no doubt you will get some flack on here about the safety of them. Whilst all helmets are DOT approved (or equivalent in countries outside of North America), the flip-types are apparently not approved by any addtional agencies. You can take that to mean whatever you like.

I'd still stick with full face if your entire head is important enough to you. You'll get used to wearing it.

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I would think the jaw protection factor is severely compromised on the modular compared to the full face.

Not only that, with the lower part flipped up on modulars, one usually lights up the geek meter full tilt. :laughing:
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HYPERR wrote: Not only that, with the lower part flipped up on modulars, one usually lights up the geek meter full tilt. :laughing:
check out the shark modular. They've made significant improvements in the way the jaw fastens to the helmet and how the modular part melds into the design when all the way open.

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storysunfolding wrote:
HYPERR wrote: Not only that, with the lower part flipped up on modulars, one usually lights up the geek meter full tilt. :laughing:
check out the shark modular. They've made significant improvements in the way the jaw fastens to the helmet and how the modular part melds into the design when all the way open.

Still it's full face for me

Me too. It's the only way to go IMO. :ninja:
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I just thought about the geek factor and maybe I was wrong.

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storysunfolding wrote:I just thought about the geek factor and maybe I was wrong.
Yep u were wrong bigtime. :laughing:

Super geek factor with the "take me to your leader" factor thrown in for good measure. :mrgreen:
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#29 Unread post by BuzZz »

Some of the new modular helmets meet the new Euro specs for fullface helmets, but most don't yet. Most haven't ever been tested as a fullface yet, either though.

Last summer I wanted to buy one of those Shark modular lids that Story pictured above. Shark deemed that they no longer wish to supply helmets to Canada last year, I'd have to order it from the USA. Too bad I won't buy a lid without trying on first.... it effectively means I will never buy a Shark lid.
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JustMark wrote:Ok, so ive read all the pros for a full face helmet vs open and yet when i bought a helmet i decided to go open face instead. When i was testing the bike out, the guy i was buying it from had a full face he let me borrow. It wasnt comfortable at all. Not that it was tight or loose, i just didnt feel like i could see very well at all. peripheral (sp?) vision seemed minimal at best to me. Am i weird that my first helmet is NOT a full face?
My guess is that you need to have the helmet properly fit. A full face helmet should not interfere with good peripheral vision.

Buying a helmet is, like buying shoes. You shouldn't buy online, because you need the opportunity to try on the helmets and get one that fits you. When I bought my full face helmet the store I went to had me try on a bunch of them, and that I thought might be a good fit they had me wear around the store for at least 10 minutes (I had three potential helmets), so that took about 30 minutes just to check those out. The one I wanted to buy out of those three they had me wear it for an additional 20 minutes, just to be sure it was a very good fit for me. As a result I have a helmet that is excellent. Sure it took some additional time, but it's better than a) getting a helmet and finding out AFTER spending $150 or more that it's not comfortable for the long haul, or b) buying and returning multiple helmets from an online vendor trying to get a good fit.

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#31 Unread post by mgold »

Here is very detailed, and good review of the Shark Modular Helmet. I'll definitely consider buying one of these next time I'm going to buy a Helmet.

http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcyc ... k-evoline/

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sunshine229 wrote:These flip-type helmets are an option, but no doubt you will get some flack on here about the safety of them. Whilst all helmets are DOT approved (or equivalent in countries outside of North America), the flip-types are apparently not approved by any addtional agencies. You can take that to mean whatever you like.

I'd still stick with full face if your entire head is important enough to you. You'll get used to wearing it.

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Zeus has the first flip-up that meets SNELL standards (http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/zeus-hel ... s-zs-3000/), and there could've been others since then. Lots of flip-ups also do well in the UK's sharp rating scheme (http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/), which - handily - also lists % of impacts where the chinguard stays fully locked. Of course, the OP is in NA, which means some of those helmets may not be available.

Still though, even though I've got both a flip-up and a FF helmet, I still feel safer with the latter. It just makes sense that a FF would be more structurally rigid than a flip-up. And my FF is also more comfortable (they tend to be quieter than flip-ups, and my FF has more chin/jaw room than my flip-up). YMMV of course.
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NewGuy wrote:Buying a helmet is, like buying shoes. You shouldn't buy online, because you need the opportunity to try on the helmets and get one that fits you.
I've bought shoes online (runners)... worked out well! :thumbsup: But I absolutely wouldn't buy a helmet online. You can't try it on, plus you never know how well the post office has handled the parcel along the way... :confused2:
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#34 Unread post by wngdweeler »

let me tell you from experience a full face probably saved my life...
though it was on a sled, i ended up with a jaw that was broken in three places.
you do not want to take 2months of meals through a straw, though its great for
losing weight i do not recommend it, having those wires removed was like flossing with
barbed wire but hey, its just my opinion.

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I'm not going to share my original full opinion I typed out. Suffice to say I think too much importance is given to the helmet. You won't see me out there without one, or without a full-face anytime in the foreseeable future... but that being said, you'll never see me buying a new one because it rolled off the desk either.

Anytime you jump on a bike you are accepting a huge amount of risk. I choose to wear a full-face helmet, but that is as much for style reasons as safety. If I am on an open road through Montana on a cruiser, I cannot see myself wearing a full-face (heck on residential roads I cannot stand even having my visor closed on my full-face ).

As I said, anytime you jump on a bike you are accepting a huge amount of risk. I do not in any way intend to single anyone out on these forums (heck, I read very few replies yet to this topic), but in general (mostly from my class) I pick up on this almost superiority against those who wear anything but full-face helmets. As if they are idiots accepting some sort of risk... like getting on a bike with a full-face is a risk-free decision.

I am still (barely :laughing:) 23, so I won't say never... but I cannot see myself ever riding without a helmet, even when legal. And despite my opinions I wear a full-face helmet.

I know what the chart says, and I like the comment someone provided about talking to someone who got in an accident without a full-face. Seattle Police Department issued helmets used to be open faced (now modular). I have talked to probably all (over the years) of my dads co-workers (probably at least 20+ motorcycle cops), all but two of which have been in serious accidents, and I talked to them all just fine.

I don't mean to imply helmets are overrated, they certainly are not. And no one wants to be a statistic. But getting on a bike is an inherently dangerous thing. If you are really a safety above all else individual, you would not be getting on in the first place. It is all about accepting levels of risk.

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#36 Unread post by waterbuffalo750 »

JVRR is absolutely right. There is risk on a motorcycle. Even with your full face helmet on, your next ride can be your last.
I never wear a full face. It takes away too much of what I love about riding. Wind in my face, feeling of freedom, etc. In fact (this'll get me flamed) when I am doing long stretches on the interstate, I won't wear a helmet. If my helmet isn't so tight it makes my jaw hurt, it pulls up and back just a little at those speeds. That is VERY distracting. Plus, the extra wind resistance causes more fatigue and distraction. You guys will say it's because it doesn't fit right, but basic physics say that a helmet will make your head bigger. A bigger head will have more wind resistance. I feel the additional discomfort and fatigue is more dangerous than not wearing a helmet. Besides, what are my odds if I go down at 75-80mph anyway?
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Adam, your grasp of physics is incorrect. Wind resistance is a function of drag. Your head has many surfaces at odd angles, with ears hanging out into the slipstream, and hair (may not be a problem for you). A helmet is smooth in comparison. I've ridden, and crashed both with and without a helmet and for my money I now wear the best fullface helmet I can afford.
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I had the Nolan N100E and it was the best helmet I've ever used. Felt really secure, comfy and quiet. I also had a few accidents with it but the one accident that forced its retirement was a big one (body hitting ground wise not the bike) and the helmet remained intact. The speed of the accident was nothing to sneeze at either. I would definitely go modular again as it makes it easier at rest stops and those blasted full service stations in New Jersey. I trust Nolan modulars more than I trust this moderate HJC i'm currently rockin'... easily battered by wind and has that cheap creaking noise from somewhere, I would've been happier spending the extra $60 for another Nolan.
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Shuberth modular ftw, shark EVO as a close second.

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#40 Unread post by noobie »

I went from dirt bikes to street bikes - I've never worn anything short of a full-face. But, I get the peripheral vision thing! I sometimes contemplate buying a motocross style helmet because I think I could see better with it. Maybe it's just my imagination. Besides, a dirt bike helmet on a cruiser will probably look really stupid... now I'm just mumbling to myself.
Anyway, full-face is warmer and no rain, wind or bugs :)

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