Would a DC-10 landing on a highway crack the cement?

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#21 Unread post by storysunfolding »

scan wrote:Read the History section on this one -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System

Seems logical it would be designed to hold a lot of weight. DC-10, not sure.

If I read correctly in the past, the Autobahn could do it easily, but in the US we have been keeping the concrete much shallower than the Germans. They built the road very thick starting back in WW2, thanks to Hitler's plan to have a major transportation route for heavy equipment.
Found this on that site
"Contrary to popular lore, Interstate highways are not designed to serve as airstrips"
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-Holiday wrote:let me check with the local internet experts and get back to you.
They have answered (at least the plane/conveyer belt question):

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/060203.html

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storysunfolding wrote:
scan wrote:Read the History section on this one -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System

Seems logical it would be designed to hold a lot of weight. DC-10, not sure.

If I read correctly in the past, the Autobahn could do it easily, but in the US we have been keeping the concrete much shallower than the Germans. They built the road very thick starting back in WW2, thanks to Hitler's plan to have a major transportation route for heavy equipment.
Found this on that site
"Contrary to popular lore, Interstate highways are not designed to serve as airstrips"
There's a popular urban legend that claims one out of every five miles of interstate have to be straight to accommodate aircraft landings.
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#24 Unread post by -Holiday »

do you think a small cessna could land in one of New Jersey's Traffic circles?

Please discuss.


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I landed a model airplane on a slot car track one time.
Then the wheel broke off, and i didn't have any more glue. :cry:
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#26 Unread post by ceemes »

Johnj wrote:Max takeoff weight for a 737-800 is like 175,000 lbs, distributed across 3 sets of landing gear so that's 58,333 lbs each. Each landing gear set has 4 giant tires so that's 14,583 lbs per tire. Big trucks can hit 40,000 lbs or more so I think the roadway would handle it. I also think the main gear sets are set wider that the roadway

Please note: all math done on calculator:weight distribution wouldn't be so evenly divided among the landing gear sets:
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#27 Unread post by flynrider »

intotherain wrote:First post edited.. some msitakes

Oh yeah, I'm just having an argument with another guy in my photoshop class.

He assures me that I am wrong and all highways in the US meets "national threat advisory" and at any moment the highways can be used for a transportation system for heavy war such as 200 tanks, and stuff.

I have no idea what he is talking about but does anybody know what he is talking about?
The Interstate system (not "all highways in the U.S.") has a backup role as a military transport system. Nothing special was done to accomodate that secondary role other than to make sure that the road dimensions would handle the largest military vehicles. If you run enough tanks on the Interstate, it will get damaged. Especially the asphalt parts. It is assumed that they would have to be fixed once the emergency is over.

As for landing a fully loaded DC-10, I'd say there would be an excellent chance of damaging the roadway. Runways and taxiways all across America had to be rebuilt and strengthened when widebody jets like the 747 and DC-10 entered service.

Highways commonly have a 6 to 8 inch top layer of concrete. Runways used to be the same. In the 1940s, large WWII aircraft increased that requirement to nearly 1 ft. of concrete. When the widebody jets were introduced, major airports needed 16 to 18 inches, plus a foundation of several feet.

As an example, back in 2004, the president decided to make a campaign stop in Las Cruces, NM. The main runway has enough depth to handle Air Force 1, but the other runways and taxiways have WWII standard concrete, topped by asphalt. After being informed of this, the pilot still decided to taxi the 747 onto the thinner pavement for some reason. The pavement buckled everywhere that 747 went. The runway and taxiway are still out of service to this day. Imagine what would happen if they'd landed on that pavement (which is much thicker than a highway).
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#28 Unread post by intotherain »

flynrider wrote:
intotherain wrote:First post edited.. some msitakes

Oh yeah, I'm just having an argument with another guy in my photoshop class.

He assures me that I am wrong and all highways in the US meets "national threat advisory" and at any moment the highways can be used for a transportation system for heavy war such as 200 tanks, and stuff.

I have no idea what he is talking about but does anybody know what he is talking about?
The Interstate system (not "all highways in the U.S.") has a backup role as a military transport system. Nothing special was done to accomodate that secondary role other than to make sure that the road dimensions would handle the largest military vehicles. If you run enough tanks on the Interstate, it will get damaged. Especially the asphalt parts. It is assumed that they would have to be fixed once the emergency is over.

As for landing a fully loaded DC-10, I'd say there would be an excellent chance of damaging the roadway. Runways and taxiways all across America had to be rebuilt and strengthened when widebody jets like the 747 and DC-10 entered service.

Highways commonly have a 6 to 8 inch top layer of concrete. Runways used to be the same. In the 1940s, large WWII aircraft increased that requirement to nearly 1 ft. of concrete. When the widebody jets were introduced, major airports needed 16 to 18 inches, plus a foundation of several feet.

As an example, back in 2004, the president decided to make a campaign stop in Las Cruces, NM. The main runway has enough depth to handle Air Force 1, but the other runways and taxiways have WWII standard concrete, topped by asphalt. After being informed of this, the pilot still decided to taxi the 747 onto the thinner pavement for some reason. The pavement buckled everywhere that 747 went. The runway and taxiway are still out of service to this day. Imagine what would happen if they'd landed on that pavement (which is much thicker than a highway).
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#29 Unread post by Sev »

Are highways in America made of cement?

They're made of asphault up here in Canada.
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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#30 Unread post by -Holiday »

Sev wrote:Are highways in America made of cement?

They're made of asphault up here in Canada.
they're made of gold actually.
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