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Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:10 pm

The other 29 states can't be far behind.

And starting January 1st, 2007 all US citizens leaving the country will have to have a US passport to get back in. This includes Canada & Mexico.

That should stop the terrorists(tm) and the illegal aliens.

#42 Unread post by **dr_bar** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:37 pm

MrGompers wrote:And starting January 1st, 2007 all US citizens leaving the country will have to have a US passport to get back in.

If I'm not mistaken, this date has been pushed back a year or two...

At a few crossings on the BC / Washington border, they are going to test a drivers license scanner that would negate the use of a passport. Both BC and Wa. are concerned about the loss of tourist revenue with the up coming 2010 Olympics in the Vancouver area. I hope they work it out and Homeland security loses this round...

What I don't understand is the American willingness to forfeit their hard won freedoms...

Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:46 pm

I didn't know the olympics were being held in BC. They will adjust their policies in order to get money, so no worries there.

I wonder tho if they have some kind of scanner that must mean a drivers license has a bar code. What about people from other states ? My Conn license doesn't have a bar code.

Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:48 pm

dr_bar wrote:
MrGompers wrote:And starting January 1st, 2007 all US citizens leaving the country will have to have a US passport to get back in.
If I'm not mistaken, this date has been pushed back a year or two...

I don't think so. I just received a memo from the HR dept at the company I work for about this. Thats why it is fresh in my mind. Alot of people in my office travel outside of the US on business.

#45 Unread post by **dr_bar** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:07 pm

From the US customs and border protection site... It's a little confusing having two seperate dates for basically the same thing????

I realize one is for air, the other is for land and sea...

Under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI)
The proposed implementation timeline has two phases:

In January 2007, ALL persons, including U.S. citizens, traveling by air between the United States and Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda will be required to present a valid passport, Air NEXUS card, or U.S. Coast Guard Merchant Mariner Document.

As early as January 1, 2008, ALL persons, including U.S. citizens, traveling between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda by land or sea (including ferries), may be required to present a valid passport or other documents as determined by the Department of Homeland Security.

While recent legislative changes permit a later deadline, the Departments of State and Homeland Security are working to meet all requirements as soon as possible. Ample advance notice will be provided to enable the public to obtain passports or passport cards for land/sea entries.

Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:13 pm

Yea that is confusing. I wonder if I can swim back into the US without a passport?

JC Viper · #47 Unread post by **JC Viper** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:58 pm

Actually the Homeland Security might go a step further and we may have to be cleared to be able to leave the country.

Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:01 am

Interesting, but little to do with tazing 6 year olds....

Shorts · #49 Unread post by **Shorts** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:13 am

Considering that if you fly from Conus you need a passport for customs to enter another country...

We travel with a passport all the time.

As for tazering 6year olds, it should be done more often on long flights, especially those traveling overseas

Candy750 · #50 Unread post by **Candy750** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:50 am

I don't agree with alot of things about the law... But I learned young growing up if a cop tells you to stop - then STOP! If you are asked to leave - then LEAVE. If you have to produce id - GET IT OUT. period.

When cops are asking you for whatever, even if they are complete and total a-holes, you will fare alot better if you DO whatever, and ask questions later. If they are just out to break b*lls, fine, if there is someone they are looking for, if they thought you did something... it is alot easier to comply, then find out later.

I spent some time working in law enforcement. If a person refuses to show id, stop, leave, you can ONLY imagine there is something wrong. Just like a lie - one lie to a LEO means everthing you say may be a lie....

Right or wrong. Comply.

PS - have been tasered (training). It's worse than my dogs' invisible fence collar - that only made my arm feel funny - like a more harsh funny bone hit. It's about like when I put the lightbulb in a live socket while holding wet metal - that blew me off the porch!!