250-750cc = small
750cc-1300cc = medium
1300cc-2300cc = large

That of course is from a cruiser riders point of view, but this is a cruiser oriented society we live in. The majority of the riders in this part of Ohio ride very, very loud large cruisers. Makes many friends for motorcyclists amongst the general population.

"And, incidentally, since when do Americans need to apologize for doing things different than the rest of the world? We have a much higher standard of living here, so it's only natural that we like extravagant things. Then again, you can just keep your head shamefully buried in the sand if you so desire."

What exactly do you find shameful about having a wee bit of social conscience about the worlds resources? I do so desire to have a little myself and will not apologize for it!

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I said medium. I think medium now days is more like large in my teen years, but the style of bikes have split. It used to be UJM, and in 1979, a 650 like mine was medium to large, depending on if you could tell it wasn't a 750. Even a 500 wasn't recommended as a starter bike back then, in the days of 500cc two stroke bikes that screamed but needed a straight line to ride on.. Times and motors have changed, and more instruction is availabe, so I said medium.

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Okay, since when is a larger bike devoid of social consideration? I just went for a ride with Scan (the moderator) and my Dad, and Scan has a 1200cc standard and my Dad has an 800cc C50. Of our three bikes, guess which one has two spark plugs per cylinder and a catalytic converter?

Yup...you guessed it...my super-huge, rain-forest destroying 1600cc Mean Streak. My Dad's exhaust blows a little smoke at times, and smells like an old fifties V8. Mine has little to no smell to it.

Besides, I just can't share the same bleak outlook on the world as you. I hear all the doom-and-gloom stories every day at work, yet I never see any of their horrific theories coming to fruition, so they usually move on to the next big environmental issue. And the funniest part is, the ones who are most vocal about this stuff get up from the table and go out to their $50,000 Lexus SUV's, drive to the airport, and take a private jet over to the Congo for the sake of some feel-good mission designed to prevent the native people from ever developing their own country, thus forever trapping them in the third-world swaller they call an existence.

/rant

Don't know what your problem is buddy, but the natural resource I was referring to was oil. Didn't know it came from the rain forests. Thought the subject was large vehicles like our SUVs and two liter plus motorcycles which are quite different from the vehicles used by most of the world.

Who said I had a bleak outlook on the world? Please don't attribute things to me that I didn't say. C'mon now, 30 mpg motorcycles? And 10 mpg SUVs? Just not my style fella in a world that's fighting over oil reserves and I just said so that's all. If ya got a problem with that, it's your problem.

Bye.

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And I didn't realize we were running out of it. Which AP article was that little factoid in?



Because they are more environmentaly conscious than us, or because their governments suck and they're all too poor to live like us?





You did.



Only problem I have is understanding why people get so worked-up about oil and why so many people worship the way Europe does things, that's all.

[quote="Nibblet99"]Ok, answer the poll, then post your reasons for the choice.
One post each, and no debating / arguments


Sorry, Niblett99.

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If you think your standard of living is so much better than the rest of the world, I am afraid it is you whom has their head in the sand.

P.S: The irony in your sig is utterly delightful.

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I don't see too many Haitian refugees washing up on your shores, or people sneaking across your borders just to pick strawberries for a living. I am not naive enough to think that every other country besides America is a hell-hole, but I'd rather be here than anywhere else.



Which part? Laugh it up either way.



Smaller country, smaller cities, smaller roads...thus smaller cars and smaller bikes. It's easy to understand, however, this forum's audience is far more reaching than the culture of the U.K. (despite your government's best efforts) so please bear in mind a lot of the members have a different view of engine displacement and, around here especially, a >1200cc bike is hardly considered excessive. In fact, for two-up purposes, the bigger the better.

Care to debate that on another thread, as requested at the start of this thread!

Dear Gods but you are a wind up artist.

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