Wow that's pretty high concentration for such a small town! It's weird that there are so many Pans. I love Pans. IMO the best looking Big Twin. If I do see a Pan around here, it's usually a nice resto of a Glide. Most of the Shovels I see have been molested into choppers.

I live about 45 minutes from a place called Marcus Dairy which has a humongous bike gathering every Sunday morning. It's actually very famous and riders come from all over the surrounding states with just about every ride you can think of. Here I have the privilege of seeing every single bike you can imagine.

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2008 Ducati Hypermotard 1100
2006 Kawasaki KLX250S
2004 Honda CBR600RR
2002 BMW R1150R
1996 Ducati 900SS

Brush the Harley chip off your shoulder, don't give me a reason to not be nice and we'll get along fine. This is Total Motorcycle World, a place meant for riders of ALL brands to meet and share knowledge. If you want to contribute to this forum, do so in a helpful and productive manner. As pointed out in another thread, your first series of posts were negative ones all made in old Harley threads. The proper protocol is to post an introduction in the "Start Your Engines" forum, tell us who you are, what you ride, etc, and then join in the friendly discussions. So far, you have yet to offer all of us that simple courtesy.

So you don't like Harleys. Big deal. You're not the first and you won't be the last to come on here and brand-bash the marque. But until you smarten up and act like the 58yr old you say you are, you won't be taken seriously here.

BTW, I have ridden a few models from the Victory lineup. They still don't make one with the ergonomics and features that I want, but they are a very well made bike nonetheless. Same with any BMW, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Honda, Yamaha, Moto Guzzi, etc, etc. Get the point?

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Mike

'07 Road Glide/Texas Sidecars "Ranger"
The Blackbird Stealth Bomber

Who wants to be taken seriously?

Didn't realize these forums had "Protocol", didn't see anything listed when I joined it, but find it refreshing that there is something that resembles organization.

Also didn't realize I posted on "old threads"........ just found a couple that sounded interesting and posted some remarks and articles that I found interesting, and thought I might pass them along. Not what forums are for?

I've posted what I ride, and for all the reasons that I ride it, and figure anything else is boring to the readers of the forums, so I'll continue to find things that interest this 58 year-old, post comments, and hopefully that might interest others too.
Later!

Much better, thank you.

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Mike

'07 Road Glide/Texas Sidecars "Ranger"
The Blackbird Stealth Bomber

Bottom line is you get what you want and like, a motorcycle is part of you and not the other guy. There are many Harley guys who ask me why I got the Buell and I tell then because I want to. I was going to pick a bike on resale it is the Harley, If I wanted a bike that will go 1,000,000 miles then it's a BMW and if you want to look cool, well then there's most likely no hope for you.

If you buy a Road King for 16500 it aint got a damn thing on it.

I work for yamaha motors and can tell you that even with our discount if you do sell a bike you get in a year it is hard to get your money back out of it. And there is a lot more harleys in our parking lot than yamahas. Looking a harley is no more than metrics. Shop around it is all about what you want. Myself if i want a v-twin i might as well get a harley that i want. I think what ever happened to the real japanese bikes i loved like the older ones with the inline 4 kz and gs series. A honda magna or such. Like said for a v-twin give me harley. for a good other cruiser go with what you want. Nothing wrong with either. The chrome and such seems to be better on H-D. I kind of like the triumph speed master or america. A older v-max i like.

I can solve all this with one word....TRIUMPH.

You said it

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Metrics v. American is a touchy subject. I love all kinds of bikes however, many riders seem to get caught up in this name or that, and forget to simply look at what makes them happy. IMHO you should first decide on which type of riding you like the most, touring or just a quick run around town. Then go sit on a few, and see how they "fit". If the dealer will allow it, take em' for a spin.Once you've narrowed your choice down to a few, read up on the reviews for each individual bike. Then you can make an honest decision that YOU will be happy with. I guess the long and the short of it is, don't buy a bike for the badge on the tank.Buy your bike because it's what you really want. For me, the badge is just something I will remove to help clean up the appearance anyway:)