Cruisers/Tourers vs. Sport Tourers

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Cruisers/Tourers vs. Sport Tourers

Unread post by tonyric » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:40 pm

So, here is my situation... I am in Afghanistan right now and am looking to purchase my third bike when I return Sept 2011. My 08 V-Star 650 just isn't cutting it any longer as I find myself riding longer and longer on my typical trips. I have been looking at the following:

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Yamaha V-Star 1300 Tourer
Yamaha Raider and Stryker (yes I know they are choppers)
Suzuki Boulevard M109R
Kawasaki Vulcan 1700 Nomad

sport tourers:
Yamaha FJR1300
Kawasaki Concours 14 ABS

I have only ridden cruisers so I am looking to those of you that have opinions after moving toward one or the other having owned/ridden both. I am looking for something good for long trips (1000 miles in 2-3 days) and also something good for commuting. I have sat on M109R and Vulcan, and owning V-Star I can't imagine the 1300 is much different other than size and weight.

What are your opinions either way, pluses and minus'?

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Re: Cruisers/Tourers vs. Sport Tourers

Unread post by JC Viper » Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:41 pm

I rode my Vulcan 500 1000 miles in 2 days then another 320 mile trip 3 weeks later. Put on ~40K miles on it before being totaled.
Switched to a 1984 GPz 900 (Ninja 900R) which is now considered a sport tourer and put on 7k miles on it so far.

I know the engines are different in size but both are smooth at 75MPH but the Vulcan left me quite sore and tired when riding really long distances. The GPz does not and I find I can go much further. Also Sport tourers have bigger fuel tanks compared to cruisers so refueling is less often. Sport tourers also handle better than cruisers, have more options for powered accessories and better wind protection and aerodynamics.

Sport tourers tend to be more ergonomic than sport bikes or cruisers but that varies from bike to bike and person to person.
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Re: Cruisers/Tourers vs. Sport Tourers

Unread post by Lion_Lady » Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:49 pm

The FJR and Concours are more often tricked out as long distance rally machines, than any of the cruisers. That is, they are frequently chosen by those who will ride for 15 to 20 hours in 24. They handle well, and the more upright/tilted slightly forward (NOT leaning on hands or tank) is more comfortable for long seat time. The leaned back seating position exaggerates the curve or your lower spine which can result in back pain.

Don't discount BMWs as another possible option. The inline 4s (K bikes) and flat twins (R bikes/oilheads) are dependable, mile eating machines, with plenty of comfort/touring options available.

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Unread post by tonyric » Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:04 am

I like the BMW's a lot, my problem with them is the entry price. :)
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Unread post by ibswooft » Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:09 pm

Ask someone about a backrest for yourself with a cruiser.

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Unread post by jstark47 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:57 pm

Don't forget, big adventure tourers (R/GS, VStrom, Stelvio, Tiger, Ulysses, etc.) make almost-as-good sport tourers as the sport touring genre does.
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Unread post by tonyric » Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:06 am

ibswooft wrote:Ask someone about a backrest for yourself with a cruiser.
The backrest would be on the list if I go the cruiser route. :)
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Unread post by tonyric » Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:08 am

jstark47 wrote:Don't forget, big adventure tourers (R/GS, VStrom, Stelvio, Tiger, Ulysses, etc.) make almost-as-good sport tourers as the sport touring genre does.
I hadn't considered them, and I was thinking that the sport tourers above have a LOT more power than I need, I will have to check them out. :) Thanks
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Unread post by tonyric » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:42 am

So, after looking at all of the above and a few new ones (reviews and previews) for 2011, I have narrowed the list to:

cruisers:
Yamaha V-Star 1300 Tourer
Kawasaki Vulcan 1700 Vaquero

sport tourers:
Yamaha FJR1300
Kawasaki Concours 14 ABS

Pluses' and minus' to all of the bikes listed.

I didn't look at the BMW's as I am buying new, not used (can be 2007 new but not previously owned), because of the price.

I didn't consider any of the adventure tourers because of the aggressive seating positions compared to the ST's. I am not considering the Honda ST1300 for the same reason as the BMW, I am not one ot pay for a name, I would rather pay for features, not names.

What are everyone's personal opinions of the remaining 4 bikes?
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Unread post by jstark47 » Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:15 am

tonyric wrote:I didn't consider any of the adventure tourers because of the aggressive seating positions compared to the ST's.
WTF???? :confused: Aggressive seating position? On an ADV bike? What are you talking about? Have you ever sat on one of these? The seating position is totally neutral, bone-standard, straight up and down. Sport-tourers often will have you leaning over in something starting to approach a sport bike position.
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Unread post by tonyric » Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:29 am

I found a link in one of the blogs, (blues2cruise I think) that sent me to a site that showed, based on height, inseam and bike, the lean and if I remember correctly the C14 and FJR had me at about a 12 degree angle where the vstrom had me at about 17 degrees. <shrug> I could be remembering incorrectly. I can't sit on them right now, I am in Afghanistan. LOL This is why I am asking opinions.
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Unread post by jstark47 » Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:42 am

Trust me. I'm 6' 1". You don't lean over on a V-strom (unless you've got real short arms), you sit bolt upright. For a big guy, it's gotta be one of the most comfortable bikes I've ever experienced. Not saying it's a perfect bike, but riding position is darn near perfect. From sitting on Triumph Tigers (both 955's and 1050's) I can say the same goes for them.

ADV bikes are essentially big, roomy standards with extra suspension travel and a bit of weather protection.
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Unread post by tonyric » Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:45 am

jstark47 wrote:Trust me. I'm 6' 1". You don't lean over on a V-strom (unless you've got real short arms), you sit bolt upright. For a big guy, it's gotta be one of the most comfortable bikes I've ever experienced. Not saying it's a perfect bike, but riding position is darn near perfect. From sitting on Triumph Tigers (both 955's and 1050's) I can say the same goes for them.

ADV bikes are essentially big, roomy standards with extra suspension travel and a bit of weather protection.
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I don't know what happened. I just went through my history and re-ran the numbers and it has me at a 5 degree lean. LOL I guess it is back to the drawing board for my list. HAHA
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Unread post by tonyric » Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:39 pm

AND The BMW F800ST is only about 13K LOL A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF ME. LOL
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Unread post by Grey Thumper » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:04 am

That F800ST isn't a bad bike, and is pretty underrated, IMHO. The world needs more small, light, nimble sport tourers.
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Unread post by sapaul » Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:48 am

An idea of your riding style or expectation would also help. I love the 109 but I would prefer an 800 VFR over the same long distance.
I have a friend that has put over 90 000 kms on his BMW ST over 19 months, so bang for buck can't be too bad here.
As for the dualies. The Honda Transalp has plenty of punch and an armchair for a seat

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Unread post by tonyric » Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:19 pm

I am not one that goes looking out for twisties to run them as quickly as I can, but I do enjoy them. I can (but don't like) eating up heavy miles on the highway but do use them when I need to get there as fast as possible. Basically, I enjoy just riding, but the style will change day to day I guess. I never thought of myself as a sportbike kind of person but the connie and fjr look so comfortable. :)
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Unread post by sapaul » Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:22 am

Sounds like you are like most of us then,

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Unread post by curty39 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:16 pm

hey rookie, I totally feel for you. I currently own a c50 Suzuki and want to upgrade.... I like the cruiser style. But I am not totally turned off by the sport tourer. I am trying to narrow down a few bikes so I can make my decision. I am interested in the big cruisers... Go big or go home.. Like I said I am still open for other possibilities. 1800cc or bigger I have been eying up. triumph rocket 3 touring. Honda 1800vtx. Iam not real mechanical and want something that doesnt require alot of wrenching. H.D. out of the question, same with bmw. Iam looking for ideas, can anyone share?

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Unread post by jstark47 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:48 pm

curty39 wrote:I currently own a c50 Suzuki and want to upgrade.... I like the cruiser style. But I am not totally turned off by the sport tourer. I am trying to narrow down a few bikes so I can make my decision. I am interested in the big cruisers... Go big or go home.. Like I said I am still open for other possibilities. 1800cc or bigger I have been eying up.
OK, so what exactly does "upgrade" mean to you? What do you want more of? Power? Comfort? Touring capability? Handling ability, like to strafe the twisties? There's going to be different answers depending on what you want. Do you want a bigger cruiser? A power cruiser? A big touring cruiser? A sport-tourer - these are all very different types of bikes.

If you want a sport-tourer, forget about "1800cc"..... it doesn't exist, and you don't need it anyway. Current I4 sport-tourers are already insanely quicker than they have any need to be...... :devil:
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