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#41 Unread post by Sev » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:19 pm

BuzZz wrote:Well that's pisspoor plannin', innit? I thought I had.... no matter you'll have it next time. :wink:
Send over your phone number in a private message, I doubt I'll make it out there again this year, but my friends and I are planning a trip out to Winnepeg next year. I can arrange to have stop off near you. And you're always welcome to ride with us.

I blame you by the way, you should have been sitting on the highway waiting for us to pass. What's wrong with you??? Jeepers, you ARE getting old.

I rolled over 7000 km on this trip, which puts me at a sum total of 11000 km on two abbreviated seasons. I ended up starting late in both, heh, not having a bike makes it tough to ride. Every km is a good km, and the more the bike has the better. I feel soooo awful about having to garage this one. But I'm trying to look at it as a chance to make some modifications to my bike. Gotta cut down or replace that ugly back fender, get a freaking windshield. I've had one on order since early July. I really like the way the one I have on order looks, but it's getting to the point that I'll buy anything that fits.

I'm thinking about picking up a new jacket, textile with armor. After fracturing my elbow in that fall I've decided that I could use something to keep my fragile joints in one piece... just in case. Plus leather doesn't seem all that good at keeping below freezing air out. I get a lot of little drafts, especially around the shoulders through the seams.

I've been looking at the Icon Timax jacket preferably in yellow, though I'd take black as well. I haven't REALLY been looking at them, but I need to finda couple to try on. I'm not sure if I'd be better suited to an extra small or a small, but it's something I gotta find out. I have... a slender build, so there isn't a lot that'll fit me in the first place.

Icon Timax

It's gotten good reviews and it meets or exceeds any requirements for safety, 1000 denier , and good armor. Though I'm not REALLY sure I like how flashy it is. Then again, considering the bike I'm riding now flashy might not be a bad thing. I DO like the idea of being more visible.

Anyways, I'm looking forward to the possibility of riding with you again. And with any luck if Russel is along for the ride he'll have a new bike by then. And we'll be able to REALLY ride. Of course he's still stuck in that "cruiser" phase, I've been trying to get him to reconsider, but he just won't. Sigh.
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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#42 Unread post by BuzZz » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:11 am

Sevulturus wrote: ........And with any luck if Russel is along for the ride he'll have a new bike by then. And we'll be able to REALLY ride. Of course he's still stuck in that "cruiser" phase, I've been trying to get him to reconsider, but he just won't. Sigh.
Bwaahaahaahaa.... that's funny. We'll take him to the bike show this winter. I remember last Jan. pionting at a yellow 599 and saying to you...."That's the bike you should be on. It's everything you need and better yet, everything you want." He'll see the light. :wink:

Or I could just browbeat him into line. :mrgreen:

If my tires come in (fraking backordered the rear and didn't bother to tell me.... I got them hunting one down pronto) I want to run into town this weekend and break them in.

You got a PM.
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#43 Unread post by Sev » Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:42 pm

You know you wouldn't need a new rear if you weren't blowing them on burnouts all the time. There's a fine line between showing off and stupidity, and there's so much smoke and burnt rubber in the air I cannot see the line anymore!

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#44 Unread post by BuzZz » Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:56 pm

Line? What line? I don't see no stinkin' line!!! :mrgreen:
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#45 Unread post by Sev » Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:16 am

Nope me either, lots of smoke though, everythings white.
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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#46 Unread post by BuzZz » Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:19 am

The difference is that I never see a line, no matter what the conditions. I swear, it's almost like you got a lifewish or something..... :wink:
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#47 Unread post by Sev » Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:09 pm

Life, while highly over-rated is a limited time offer, and I'm only guaranteed one. So I figure I might as well enjoy as much of it as humanly possible. Which basically means I'm planning on ending it around 30, when things start to go downhill. Okay, I'm joking 40...well 50. At that point it stops being fun anyways. :P Can't drink till you pass out, cannot ride like hell, okay well that's still possible.

In other news, I'm still riding. It freezes every night and and there's a nice thin layer of ice on the road. But by the time I get home from school it's warmed up to 6 or 7 degrees, and with enough layers a nice ride can be almost enjoyable. I'm debating the purchase of a set of heated grips, cause I'm a wuss, and I don't have a fairing to hide behind like some people. That coupled with a remarkably skinny build and poor bloodflow to the hands means a longer ride renders my fingers inoperable. Ahhh the joys of October.

Can anyone who reads this recomend a decent pair of heated grips that are reasonably priced. Everything I see out there is something like $100 American. Shudder. I like my fingers, but I'm not sure I like them that much.

Canadian Biker did a review of Suzuki's new bandit 650 which turned out very favourably, a nice looking bike and apparently it has some real nice kick. A viable alternative if you're not willing to invest in the more expensive fairingless 599. V-twin means more torque and it was called a pleasure to ride. Two up was not tested because the normal pillion rider was unwilling to hop on the back.

In the same issue was a review of Kawi's kz750, their inline 4 answer to the middleweight nakeds. It was... a ballbuster literally. Slightly aggressive seating coupled with a forward sloping seat means that you're sliding into the tank and whatever balls you have... you might not at the end of a long ride. Vibration is pervasive and annoying at highway speeds. Addmitedly others may find this is not an issue.

These are things to consider in the purchase of one of these bikes. Full reviews can be found in the Novemeber 2005 issue of Canadian Biker, I think it's well worth picking up, especially if you're looking for a bike in this class.

Anyways, class is done, the sun is shining, and I can hear a motorcycle calling. I'm going to take a quick sprint through the river valley and head home.
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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#48 Unread post by Sev » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:12 am

What is it with trucks, Alberta and bikers? Are us bikers not supposed to be on the road? Or is it just offensive that a vehicle that costs a fraction of what theirs did can outperform it with ease?

On my last ride home from school I was beating it down the road at a good clip. I lucked out and hit the one traffic circle in my way at a totally empty time and blasted through it, entering at 60 and exiting at 75. And this was with someone misjudging the gap and pulling out in front of me at the next entrance when they shouldn't have... back off the gas a little then gun it to hold the lean angle and I dodged them with lots of room. I love a/n (nearly) empty traffic circle :D

Anyways I guess the guy in the truck behind me took offense to that because over the next couple of km I noticed him sort of working his way up through the traffic behind me in the rear views. Stop and go traffic didn't give him much room to jiggle about, and busy traffic kept him back a ways. But the further we went the closer he got.

Then I'm sitting at the red light where it turns from a residential area into inudstrial and then outlands. I'd managed to work my way up to the front of my lane and booted it when it turned green and ended up way out in front, of course that's to be expected ;). Anyways, I got into the middle lane and was catching up with the traffic in front of me when I noticed that the truck who was behind me was getting big... and fast. Now, I'll typically ride at 10 over because I like to pass instead of being passed. So he was easily doing 100 in a 70 zone. But I figured, there's 2 empty lanes one on either side of me, he'll just go around.

I figured wrong, he got up behind me close enough that I could see him in both mirrors at the same time, we're talking stop light distance. Needless to say, I was more then a little uncomfortable. So, thinking quickly gun it and pop myself up to 100 then signal to the left get out of his lane slow down and watch him zoom by me. I catch a brief glimpse of a very big cross-section, tinited windows (windshield and drivers), and a lot of chrome. It was a very pretty truck. But he's past me, no harm no foul, thanks for not running me down, and I love you little bike for being able to accelerate like that. Yes, sometimes you actually do need good acceleration.

So, I figured my encounter was over, I mean, he proved he's more of a man then I am, he spent more on his ride, and he's willing to go higher above the speed limit then I am. So obviously he's a better guy then I am... right? But no, as we pull up to the next red light I see him changing out of his empty lane into my empty lane. So he's in front of me now. With a car just behind and to my right (I'm still in the left lane) I'm literally stuck behind him. So I pull to a stop, leave a nice big gap and wait.

At the green he pulls forward... sort of... almost. Very VERY slowly. I know he's messing with me now. Just being a jerk. He gets up to 10km/h under the speed limit and holds steady. The car beside him pulls ahead and I wait to. But intentionally work myself up to a higher gear then I really need. When the car has pulled well ahead, and there's room for me to change lanes, I drop a gear, rev high, and dump the clutch. From 60 to 100 in less then a second and I'm around him, up behind the car into his lane, past the car and back into the cars lane. I'm out of his way, but ahead of him again. I should, I SHOULD have known better. Passing him was just antogonistic, though given the length of the road between Edmonton and Sherwood Park it wasn't that big a deal. We were just pulling into town when he came ooming up behind me again.

Once again I repeated my trick of changing lanes to avoid getting rear ended, though I suspect he wouldn't have intentionally hit me. I got to see him zoom past again. This time I wasn't in the same lane as he was at the traffic light, and my lane happened to be moving faster. First chance I got I was off that road and taking the long, long way home. I live in the North East corner of town, and I entered at the North West. I went ALL the way South, then all the way East, and made my way back North after that. Took me an extra 20 minutes in freezing cold weather, but I figured it was better then a steel enema.
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#49 Unread post by ZooTech » Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:25 am

Finally, somebody else gets it! There really is something to be said about having surplus power. Now imagine tring those same maneuvers and avoidances with a V-Star 650 or similar anemic bike. it's nice to be able to out accelerate most cars on the road even beyond 0-60. After having my arse handed to me by a Pontiac Grand Prix (yes, just a naturally-aspirated 3.8liter V6) while riding my Nighthawk 700SC one day, I swore it wouldn't happen again. Now it would take a much bigger arsehole in a much faster car to pull that stunt on me again!

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#50 Unread post by Sev » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:06 am

My LS650 one thumper could have done the exact same thing in the first case (where he came up behind me) 80-100 in a matter of seconds. And I would have been content to dandy along behind him in the second case. That single piston and light weight could put out a fair bit of grunt when I needed it, up to 100.

With more power comes what can typically be called a more aggressive riding style. The knowledge that I can take on a truck in a situation like that means I'm more likely to try. Well I'm generalising from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least, I do.

I think you misunderstood the point of the post.
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#51 Unread post by ZooTech » Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:13 am

Sevulturus wrote:I think you misunderstood the point of the post.
No, I'm aware of your safety-conscious, conservative ways. There's nothing wrong with that. But "power" seems to be a four-letter word around here, so it's nice to read about a real-world incident where it came in handy.

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#52 Unread post by Sev » Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:09 pm

*My Second Truck Story*

Last Tuesday (Oct 25) I was headed home from school. Bopping my way through downtown Edmonton. South on 101st street because it leads right into this really nice downhill through the river valley with the most corners you'll find on any road nearby, though it's far far to short. I always go the extra distance out of my way to go down 101st rather then 105th through the traffic just because the curves are worth it.

Anyways, like I said this was downtown Edmonton, by no means San Diego, New York or any other major major hub, but it is busy, there are a lot of closepacked cages and a ton of idiot pedestrians. So as is typical of my riding style I kept it about 10 under the speed limit, meaning I was doing at MOST 40km/h through stop and go traffic.

The road South has 3 lanes, one is technically a "parking lane" and the left lane fucntions as a dual purpose driving/turning lane. I was in the middle lane out in front of traffic a little ways. As I'm moving along I notice the giant black truck up ahead and to the left is starting to pull out. He made it out 1/4 of the way stopped, I saw him look back and he didn't move. The following things flashed through my mind.
1. Road is 3/4 clear
2. He stopped and looked back
3. He isn't moving
4. He saw me and is going to wait for me to pass

So I maintained speed, he waited another couple of seconds and pulled out. At this point I was close enough that I needed to take emergency action. Up on both sets of brakes, and a HEAVY horn. He stopped again when I did that and I saw him glance back. I came within 2 feet of bouncing off his bumper at that point.

Anyways he pulled forward and got back into the right to make his right turn, I cam up beside him and did what I call a stall... basically break almost to the point of stopping and maintain balance and look over to glare at him. I kept both hands on the bars at all times and I wear a fullface, so I cannot be said to have made any offensive gestures. That took maybe a second, but I got a good look at him, older guy, probably early 50's and gaining weight.

I got up to the front of my lane because it was now empty and stop at the red light. He is now three vehicles back and in the lane to my right. I rest my right hand on my right knee to maintain balance and look back at him once again making no gestures, but long enough for him to realize that it was him I was staring at. As traffic passes the two cars in front of him make their right turns and he pulls up beside me with his window rolled down. The following conversation took place.

"So what the hell is your problem?"
"You cut me off!"
"You shouldn't be going that fas..."

The light turned green at that point and deciding that not holding up traffic was more important then explaining what an idiot he had been I pulled slowly through the intersection and down through my twisties. But I found I was to aggravated to actually enjoy them.

Once again for the record I was travelling well under the speed limit, because I expect stuff like that to happen. And I'm on a bright yellow bike in a bright yellow helmet, it's not like a blend into the tarmac. And my friends wonder why I've taken up hating people in advance of meeting them....
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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#53 Unread post by Sev » Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:37 am

Today is November 11th.

So I'd like to ask that anyone who is visiting my blog, or managed to force themselves to read there way to this post simply take the time to observe a moment of silence in respect of the brave people who gave their lives during the first and second world war. No matter what the date might currently be.

IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.



Thanks.
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#54 Unread post by KarateChick » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:13 pm

Hey Sev - whatcha think of this crazy (but great!) balmy weather we've been getting? Sadly, I put away my bike during that cold spell last month but who knew November in Edm would hit the +10 to +15 C's with NO SNOW except the man-made stuff on those local ski hills.... I've noticed a lot of bikes back on the road for the last 2 weeks now. Oh well, live & learn...
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#55 Unread post by Sev » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:54 pm

LMAO, I'm one of those bikes out there. I managed to come down with the flu or a cold or something, and I still managed an hour long ride today. The 14 degree weather was wonderful, despite the rocks that everyone in front of me was kicking up. I caught a huge one across the knuckles on my right hand and all I can say is thank god for good gloves, cause even through them it REALLY hurt.

I'm so glad I didn't put the silly thing away completely all I did was stabilize the gas back in the cold snap. Glad I'm so lazy otherwise I would have blocked off the muffler and pulled the battery as well. Which I would have reversed by now. I figure I'll fill it up again tomorrow after school and then add a little more stabilizer... hey it says to run the stabilized gas through the carbs :D

And they said global warming was a bad thing. I can't wait to visit the rocky islands and bike along the coast of Alberta. It'd be crazy awsome to ride to the bike show in Jan.

Anyways, to any Edmonton area bikers that have their bikes out, drop me a line if you want someone to ride with :D
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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#56 Unread post by BuzZz » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:04 pm

You got school on Friday?

I got the day off and it looks like that will be last ridable day for the year. But I will be home before dark, cause it gets freakin' crispy after the sun divebombs the horizon, and I ain't riding 120+ miles at (my) hiway speeds after O'Dark Thirty in November....
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#57 Unread post by Sev » Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:09 pm

I'm meeting a friend for brekky, should be done by 10:00 when her class starts, and I don't particularly care if I miss stats. What were you thinking?
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#58 Unread post by Sev » Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:32 pm

Time to get a Hugger:

So, for the last 3 months I've been scrubbing dirt, rocks, dried mud, grease, and anything else that I've ridden over (small children, household pets, cattle) out of my rear shock and off the undertray and muffler. Overall it's a pretty crappy proposition. Too much work, not enough riding. But there's a simple (hahaha) solution to all my problems. And no it isn't not running over little kids anymore. I'm going to buy and install a hugger.

My first problem is that my bike isn't really popular in North America, so not a lot of people are making stuff for it, but that's easy to overcome. E-bay to the proverbial rescue. After a couple of weeks of searching I manage to track down, bid on, and then win a Pyramid Plastics Hugger for the 04/05 Honda Hornet (European name for Honda 599). So I'm all set $100 for the plastic, $50 for the shipping (UGH!) but it's coming from overseas, so I'll take the hit.

Three to four weeks later the postman informed me via hanger on my door that there was a package availible for my pick up at the local post office. A big package, much to big to fit on the back of my bike. So I pop it open in the parking lot and haul out a hugger, mounting kit, couple of stickers, and the instructions. The little stuff goes in my pocket, the hugger itself gets bungeed to the back and I make my way home after throwing everything else in the garbage.

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It's about 10:00pm by the time I get home so I toss everything in the corner and figure I'll deal with it in the morning. Bright and early I'm up and wheel my bike out onto the driveway. A quick look through the instructions indicates that I'm supposed to replace the chain guard on the left, and I slip a new mounting plate under the rear brake mount on the right side of the swing arm. Seems simple enough.

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I popped the bolts off the brake mount and carefully lifted it up. I'm not completely sure how much messing about with the brake line I can do and not damage it, so I'm gentle with it. I slide the mount plate underneath the brake mount. And tighten down the back bolt then go to slide in the front one... darn! Okay, so the hole... is not where it is supposed to be. The holes in the swing arm are 1.5 inches apart. The holes on the mount plate are 2.5 inches apart.

Okay, I look a little closer at the packaging... 99-03 Hugger for Honda Hornet. Oh gee wiz, it's for the wrong year, they mailed me THE WRONG MODEL! Alright so, undo the bolt again and then replace the brake mount. I'm not really impressed. Wander(scramble) upstairs and double check the listing. Yup it says it's for the 04 model, they messed up.

Over the next 3 days I fired off 4 e-mails trying to get in touch with the seller. Turns out it was a weekend or some-such rubbish so they weren't checking the mail.

Now my only real problem was that the holes are in the wrong spots, it's a soft plate, I can drill a new one, and I said as much. As a way of making amends for shipping the wrong one they offered to refund the shipping cost. $50 back in my pocket eventually, if they actually send the check. Good enough, I guess. I don't want to go through the hassle of shipping it back, then waiting for a new one to come back.

So out comes the handy drill and I go to work. I need to offset the hole a little bit from the middle because the swingarm isn't straight, this would have been a lot easier if it was the 04 part. I mark the hole, find the right size drill bit and go to work. Dad offers helpful advice, "Why are you using a wood drill bit?"
"Probably because it's a metal drill bit... it came out of the set labelled metal-drill bits... see?"
"Oh, carry on then."

I got my hole made and it lines up just right.

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You can see my new hole in the middle. Great job huh?? Stop laughing.

Okay, so undo the bolts for the brake line... again, I'm getting really good at this, I've only done it 4 or 5 times now. Weeee, now, I need to take off the chain guard. But if you refer to first pic you'll notice that one of the bolts holding it on is... you guessed it behind the strut that holds the passenger pegs, which means that has to come off to. But I'm a sneaky bastrd. I only took out one bolt, then loosed the other one so I could swing it down to attach.

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Went something like this,
Mom: Be careful you're going to hit your knuckles if you do it like that
Me: I'll be okay
Mom: Are you Sure?
THUNK
Me: GOD DAMN that hurts, no
A little rubbing alcohol took care of the wounds sigh...

Anyways, I got it all lined up, the pieces tightened down and everything in place. I think it looks pretty good.

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All in all it was more work then it should have been, but it's saved a lot of cleaning time, and I think it looks pretty slick. It mounts directly to the swing arm so it moves along with it, does a better job of blocking off the end of the chain so there's less splatter, AND it hasn't hit the tire yet. I've tested it. Tires deform at high speeds, but even doing 170 I haven't had any problems. All in all, totally worth it.
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Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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#59 Unread post by BuzZz » Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:36 am

The hugger looks good Sev. Installation sounds like about normal for many aftermarket pieces. Maybe the Euro vs N.A. spec explains the difference.... I think the small relative size of many aftermarket manufactures leads to lots of oddball errors like you had. It costs alot to hire people to just accurately trace, track and list fitments. All part of the fun, right?
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#60 Unread post by Sev » Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:52 am

No I got sent 99-03 model instead of the 04 they had listed. Shop messed up, I wasn't happy.
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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