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Shorts · #341 Unread post by **Shorts** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:26 pm

The Crimson Rider® wrote:
Mintbread wrote:
The Crimson Rider® wrote: nope, if you have the right tool. you won't need to hit it w/ a hammer. or maybe you still do
Well said...

actually... like that pic holiday posted. i believe that is what they'll use. so no hammer needed.

Verm, that tool is basically a wrench that spins the 'big nut' (heh, I said big nut).

TR7 · #342 Unread post by **TR7** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:35 pm

Youll probably still need a hammer because those two rings are probably clamped together nice and tight. A hammer/screwdriver/chanel locks will work just as good as that tool.

And explain to me how your mechanic knows the right setting for you? Wouldnt the logical thing be to set it to whatever feels best for you?

#343 Unread post by **fireguzzi** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:37 pm

(heh, I said big nut).

uh huhuhuhuh big nut huhuhuh

VermilionX · #344 Unread post by **VermilionX** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:45 pm

TR7 wrote: And explain to me how your mechanic knows the right setting for you? Wouldnt the logical thing be to set it to whatever feels best for you?

i didn't go to my mechanic. i went to different shop.

he set it up for how he would like it. he said try it and comeback to him if i want it changed. he said there's no magic number. i was surprised that even the static sag doesn't have a constant range. he said to just observe how the bike reacts... does it turn better, turn harder, turn better on left than right etc. then comeback to him for tuning it based on my feedback.

i have to know what it's doing and what i want changed. he said he'll work on it but i have to tell him what i want. basically, i have to explain to him what the bike is doing wrong so if i can't tell what it's doing wrong then he can't really help me. it's also hard since he'll do what you want him to but if you thought wrong... then you'll have an even crappier setup.

but on the bright side... this will give me a chance to learn to become a developmental rider.

Shorts · #345 Unread post by **Shorts** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:24 pm

Channel locks would work (if they are thin enough to fit under there).

Verm, adjust it yourself. Before you do, make note of its position now and how it rides. Make an adjustment, then test ride. Make note again how it rides. If you need to adjust, keep doing that, adjust-test-note, over until you get it where you want it. No need to take it back and forth to a garage. The guy there will do the same for you, adjust-you test it-tell him how it feels-he adjust again. The only difference is he may be able to eyeball in less tries than you can. The sooner you do your own work on it, the more often you can adjust it when you feel like it, at your own house.

Edit: Verm, we adjust our bikes in the garage with that tool from the kit. It takes longer getting the tool out from the pouch under the seat than it does to adtually twist the thingy. However, as already mentioned, we can also adjust it using a screw driver. Luckily, no hammers have been needed

Mintbread · #346 Unread post by **Mintbread** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:38 am

The Crimson Rider® wrote:this will give me a chance to learn to become a developmental rider.

A what?

noodlenoggin · #347 Unread post by **noodlenoggin** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:07 am

Mintbread wrote:
The Crimson Rider® wrote:this will give me a chance to learn to become a developmental rider.
A what?

See, right now, Verm (Crim?) is Developmentally Delayed...m'kayyy?

-Holiday · #348 Unread post by **-Holiday** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:40 am

did i just read that you're paying someone to turn the adjustment nuts on your rear suspension?

I just want to be sure...

By the way, I can see why someone would use a hammer and screwdriver to turn that nut. Those tools they give you in the kit that comes with the bike have really short handles and generate almost no torque. I almost busted a capiliary trying to turn mine into the 6/7 setting. A hammer and screwdriver, or some kind of extender for the handle of the shock tool would have been helpful.

VermilionX · #349 Unread post by **VermilionX** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:04 am

i dunno how much to adjust.

so after i figure it out what my bike is doing... i will explain to him what's hapenning and he will make adjustements based what i told him.

let's say my bike turns better left, then he will make adjustments to correct it.

of course, me getting a good setup will highly depend on my perception and so i have to be good at understanding my bike.

CNF2002 · #350 Unread post by **CNF2002** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:29 am

The Crimson Rider® wrote:i dunno how much to adjust.

so after i figure it out what my bike is doing... i will explain to him what's hapenning and he will make adjustements based what i told him.

let's say my bike turns better left, then he will make adjustments to correct it.

of course, me getting a good setup will highly depend on my perception and so i have to be good at understanding my bike.

Neither does your mechanic. Buying the tool (if you dont already have one) and adjusting it yourself with an adjust-ride-adjust-ride method that others have suggested is the best way to go. I bet you could get a good setup in a day rather than having to ride back and forth to the shop. This is really one of those 'fill your tires with air' kind of mechanical jobs.

-Holiday · #351 Unread post by **-Holiday** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:35 am

I dont think adjusting your shock will have much, if any effect on your turning left vs right.

As far as the shock, if you're that concerned about having it on the perfect setting, why not try to find someone on a gizzer forum who is your wieght and has it adjusted for them? I dont really understand having to take the bike back to your mechanic every time you want to turn the nut that adjusts your shock..

VermilionX · #352 Unread post by **VermilionX** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:42 am

-Holiday wrote: As far as the shock, if you're that concerned about having it on the perfect setting, why not try to find someone on a gizzer forum who is your wieght and has it adjusted for them? I dont really understand having to take the bike back to your mechanic every time you want to turn the nut that adjusts your shock..

i don't just mean the shock. i mean the whole suspension in general.

i dunno how the rebound, damping, and pre-load and all the combinations of adjusting them works.

basically i have to learn to diagnose my bike then take it to him for tuning it to correcr whatever i think it's doing wrong. so like i said, it depends on me since if i thought wrong... i'll end up w/ an even crappier setup.

and yeah... i already asked at teh gixxer forum and they also said there's no magic number. you have to learn what is best for you as you go on.

CNF2002 · #353 Unread post by **CNF2002** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:44 am

You need to learn these things, especially if you are going to be frequenting the track.

VermilionX · #354 Unread post by **VermilionX** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:10 am

CNF2002 wrote:You need to learn these things, especially if you are going to be frequenting the track.

yeah.

but at the tracks... it's even easier, theoretically.

i go ride, observe, take it to the suspension guys, ride again, observe, take it to the suspension guys. rinse and repeat until i find a good setup.

but even then... they said it's impossible to setup your bike for all the turns of a racetrack so i need to basically find a setup that will work great overall.

#355 Unread post by **NorthernPete** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:16 am

If you figure out how to turn the little doo dad yourself..you wont have to bring it to the suspension guys.. you are aloud to tinker with the bike a bit yourself Verm..it wont bite.

VermilionX · #356 Unread post by **VermilionX** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:19 am

NorthernPete wrote:If you figure out how to turn the little doo dad yourself..you wont have to bring it to the suspension guys.. you are aloud to tinker with the bike a bit yourself Verm..it wont bite.

i know how to turn it... well except for the shock preload w/o resorting to a hammer and screwdriver.

i just dunno how much to turn it to get what i want.

#357 Unread post by **fireguzzi** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:23 am

neither does the mechanic, wich is why he says to ride it then bring it back. You can do the exact same thing as your mechanic.

If you are scared of messing it up then get a bottle of white out or something and put a mark on the adjuster and on a stationary part of the shock so you can adjust it back to where it was before you started messing with it.

VermilionX · #358 Unread post by **VermilionX** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:29 am

fireguzzi wrote:neither does the mechanic, wich is why he says to ride it then bring it back. You can do the exact same thing as your mechanic.

that actually makes sense... but still, until i have a better idea how much effect each adjustment i make, chances are, they'll still have a way better idea of how much to adjust than me.

LOL! riding is so complicated but i really wanna learn. anyway... i should also ask for tips each time i take it to them on how much to adjust so i can do it on my own next time.

also... i wish my suspension is adjusted by clicks instead of each full circle turn.

-Holiday · #359 Unread post by **-Holiday** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:53 am

The Crimson Rider® wrote:
LOL! riding is so complicated but i really wanna learn.

only as complicated as you make it.

CNF2002 · #360 Unread post by **CNF2002** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:56 am

Question is, how are you going to learn the right way to adjust it if you won't try? Experiment. That's how you learn.